tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18074220.post1313386774846322732..comments2024-02-28T22:10:28.445-05:00Comments on With Malice Toward None: more Bebo Norman...El Duderinohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12572185127391515950noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18074220.post-32635450857405443382008-12-26T21:33:00.000-05:002008-12-26T21:33:00.000-05:00You guys are great, and I appreciate your insights...You guys are great, and I appreciate your insights.<BR/><BR/>Z-- you're right, just because some band is not REALLY great doesn't mean we shouldn't listen to them. I agree completely.<BR/><BR/>GFR, El D, was mediocre, but hey I liked them as a teen; EL&P were phenomenally talented, yet still sucked overall because their milieu poisoned them. Led Zep were and are Great, yet remained historically twisted as persons. The Doors were a phenomenon not yet equalled within that peculiar realm of R n R, their 1st albumn being among the greatest of modern music's recordings, yet they were personally twisted nonetheless. <BR/><BR/>I maintain, the Pixies are mediocre. <BR/><BR/>But my point was/is -- that every POP/ROCK band with even a vague attempt at a Xstian posture (even eg U2) are largely overrated, or even sheer crap.<BR/><BR/>I want to know why/how my close friend "converted" to Bebo & Peterson, and why/how Z (whom I respect immensely as an intelligent Xstian) is able to stomach this stuff, and still yet -- why BOTH El D -- whose musical whims range widely -- and me -- whose musical whims are stuffy while decadent -- can't stomach the stuff ..... period.<BR/><BR/>Z - my original entreaty was to somehow encourage you to open up the doors for me, as right now a very close friend of mine is strongly recommending this avenue of cultural/spiritual experience; and yet I literally gag when I hear most contemporary pop/rock music with even the slightest twinge of "Christianity". Van Morrison is, among very few others, one exception. But he is sui generis.<BR/><BR/>It reminds me of the "imposed" ministries I incurred while serving an array of radically inspired, tongue-speaking catholics -- good folks at home and at work, yet unpleasurable and virtually nuts on the cultural/liturgical/musical side of life.<BR/><BR/>PS You both miss my point about Elvis, and indirectly miss THE point about Elvis. But for some other time guys, 'cause Z's insights here are too important to me right now.<BR/><BR/>PPS (The Beatles were only used by me to ask Z for "Help!", because I am recently experiencing a gap here between me & my closest friends.)CultManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14360667402896757169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18074220.post-68180414416535415542008-12-25T22:56:00.000-05:002008-12-25T22:56:00.000-05:00Actually it isn't beyond you. You're just not payi...Actually it isn't beyond you. You're just not paying very close attention. I mentioned Elvis because Cultman mentioned Elvis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18074220.post-52208136442416395402008-12-25T21:33:00.000-05:002008-12-25T21:33:00.000-05:00Most modern pop is so horrendous in one way or ano...Most modern pop is so horrendous in one way or another that any comparison ignoring the merit of the CC message is impossible. Additionally, in my opinion Beebo would never fly outside the CC ghetto. The only thing that allowed me to listen to either song is the presumed content of the lyrics, i.e. the CC message and the fact that you posted it on our blog. Standing on its own, as if I were flipping through the FM dial, I wouldn’t listen to it for more than ten seconds. It’s not what I like, not even close. In fact I have the same reaction to it that Cultman does, you know this about me. Does that make it bad music or me wrong? No, not at all. There's no accounting for taste. <BR/>Don't feel too bad Z, Cultman hates the Pixies too. I guess if it's not Grand Funk - to him it's all crap. I kid of course, at one point he also liked the doors and EL&P.<BR/>What you say about Elvis is true, he wouldn’t have been Elvis if he were an Orangeman from Belfast or even raised in the North East.. Why you cite him in defense of Beebo is beyond my understanding. It’s akin to someone saying they can’t stand Winger and then I cite Led Zeppelin as having similar, if earlier heavy metal roots. But one act is great, but satanic the other is just lame.El Duderinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12572185127391515950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18074220.post-53790123602841081272008-12-25T20:58:00.000-05:002008-12-25T20:58:00.000-05:00One more thing before I go: a song like "Drifting"...One more thing before I go: a song like "Drifting" is really just Pop (what I was saying about more honest comparisons) but it's good Pop. It's Pop that doesn't make me run screaming from the room.zaphodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15182049990152328515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18074220.post-80522281141875768622008-12-25T20:49:00.000-05:002008-12-25T20:49:00.000-05:00Sorry, I don't have a lot of patience for this stu...Sorry, I don't have a lot of patience for this stuff. Makes you gag? What the hell is that? Like all kinds of music Christian Contemporary has crap and it has some very good stuff. (I don't even like the CC label. It's like a cultural ghetto. If it didn't exist, you'd have more honest comparisons.)<BR/><BR/>Elvis doing gospel is certainly good stuff but what are you saying? He was just a great singer period. If someone falls short of Elvis or the Beatles, they aren't worth listening to?<BR/><BR/>The gospel stuff goes way back to the very beginning of Elvis' musical experience. You could say Elvis without the influence of Gospel wouldn't have been Elvis at all. Much (most?) of Elvis' grit and individuality came from his Gospel roots.<BR/><BR/>More on this later...zaphodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15182049990152328515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18074220.post-50799855426343373282008-12-25T16:28:00.000-05:002008-12-25T16:28:00.000-05:00My "friend" is really into Andrew Peterson too. H...My "friend" is really into Andrew Peterson too. He wants to get family/friends together for a "Behold the Lamb" session, presumably with Bebo N. too. He reports to me, that although he dislikes contemporary Christian music generally, his family "experienced" something great at the A. Peterson/Bebo performance. I just don't see it happening for me.CultManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14360667402896757169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18074220.post-77147214376878827302008-12-24T00:39:00.000-05:002008-12-24T00:39:00.000-05:00I can't stand it either. I think it's how it's pr...I can't stand it either. I think it's how it's produced. A lot of CC music is so over produced it sounds like Velveeta on saltine tastes, not bad but all funk, individuality and grit has been removed.El Duderinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12572185127391515950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18074220.post-14084460701514560002008-12-24T00:30:00.000-05:002008-12-24T00:30:00.000-05:00Z -- Thanks for the support on Victoria's hymn.Mos...Z -- Thanks for the support on Victoria's hymn.<BR/><BR/>Most contemporary Xstian music makes me gag -- that is, vomit -- when I hear it. Can you help me understand my reaction? Unless the contemporary music is actually Part or Tavener etc. Something like what you present makes me want to become a Pagan all over again.<BR/><BR/>Can't get over it....<BR/><BR/>"HELP, I need somebody; Help!"... which, as a song, is much more appealing to a Xstian like me than most modern "Christian" music.<BR/><BR/>Now Elvis doing Gospel is another thing....<BR/><BR/>Give me some feedback, Hendrix style.....<BR/><BR/>Had this discussion with a close friend recently, and I just don't get the modern "Christian Music Scene", unless, again, it entails Modern Sacred Music in a substantial way.<BR/><BR/>Feeling my way on this liturgically....CultManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14360667402896757169noreply@blogger.com